Jan Cox Talk 0674

Not Knowing Oneself Is Very Conducive to Life’s Growth


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#674 * Jul 16, 1990 * – 1:05
Notes by TK

Kyroot to :08. The Secondary Level World is a kind of second-order creation. Men can give no satisfactory account of their actions and motives even though they can think/talk and study themselves endlessly. If they could, all energy transfers would be finished. Humans are not intended to explain themselves. Not knowing oneself is very conducive to Life’s growth.

Man cannot be in a “sickness process” , he must become a thing-specific: a “patient”: then he can be treated (conversion to process again) but never cured. An individual can never adequately report on himself; it falls to another to make the reports, which are then never acceptable to anyone but the reporter.


…and Kyroot said:
Everyone’s fantasy, Has a phone nunber;
Trouble is,
It’s a local call.
..and Kyroot, said:
One little guy,
To be cute, and then some cute-on-cute, Ofttimes when printing,
Would make his capital “T’s”-backwards.
…(A certain penmanship coach in St. Paul has a new, neo-deconstructionst theory that says, “If cute could
02/ 14/90-(3)
…and Kyroot said:
“Son”, said the ole man, bathed in the glow of at least ersatz metaphorical
light, “Try and remember; When
someone tells you that
you ‘Can’t compare
apples and oranges’
they usually have one
or the other to sell.”; This advice served the kid well for some number of years until he ran upon a slickster pushing camouflaged kumquats.
…and Kyroot said:
The greatest thinker who ever lived, Never lived.
…and Kyroot said:
If you depend on only, That which is reliable, Your conception of time, May be only a fad.
…and Kyroot said:
“Remember”, he said, “Your wardrobe is not,
Your most important attribute although in your case,
it might be.”
02/ 14/90-(7)
..and Kyroot said:
The full fatness of justice falls,
Even on the illusionary,
To wit,
For in-sta-tunce;
To survive,
Even an excellent rumor,
Must remain unsubstaniated.
…and Kyroot said:
Then solemnly intoned the voice of the prophet (though down from last quarter,
“Why be poetic,
When you can,
Be combative.”
„.(Intone, intone, intone.)
…and Kyroot said:
“Well class, let me welcome you to Philosophy 101, and start off by giving you the view of what are the most important areas of mortal concern, they are; The Truth,
The Search For Reality,
The Question Of Ethics, and
My own personal needs and desires.”
…and Kyroot said:
If you can’t afford a plywood brain, A fiberboard one will do.
…and Kyroot said:
During a slack in the rain I overheard a fellow over there say,
“I simply cannot understand those who find each and every day of life to be anything less than thoroughly, thoroughly exhilarating;
In fact, on many mornings I can’t decide which gives me the greatest sense of pleasure and promise – hearing from the rooms below, a Each
chorale, or,
In the distance,
The sound of gun fire.”
…and Kyroot said:
Only the dead, (Or soon to be),
Would try to discuss Primary activities…matters….stuff.
…and Kyroot said:
Johnny Appleseed Drove a chain saw On his off days.
…and Kyroot said:
Can you consider something, Like an example, for instance, Being not,
Individually aimed,
Personally hurled?
…and Kyroot said:
“Son”, said the non-son,
“A man far wiser than I”,
(At which point the lad .involuntarily chortled, but the old man pressed on)
“A man far wiser than I once told me,
‘You can always “up the ante”,
But you can’t force ante to like it’.”
…and Kyroot said:
I met this “small timer” with,
What he admitted was a,
“Small time theory” (but the only one at his disposal),
Which said that if he,
With sufficient passion and perseverance, continued to,
“Sing in a ‘pseudo-operatic voice”,
He just might become a pseudo-star.
„and Kyroot said:
Reason and logic,
Holds together,
The man-made merchandise,
But it does not,
Make it run.
…and Kyroot said:
Another “true” example of,
“Progress reflected through a change-in-words”,
Not caused thereby);
A local two man act,
“The ^’Brian Twins”,
After becoming a bit more successful,
Changed their name to,
“The Svenson Triplets.
…and Kyroot said:
This one father wrote to his now distant daughter the following lines; “If it can make youse feel any better, my dear,
Always remember;
We could all be someone else’s,
“Trompe l’oeil”
…(We do not know how, exactly, she took this.)
…and Kyroot said:
Without an audience, Words have no landscape.
…and Kyroot said:
After a life of studying
Religions, mythologies, and
Deitific tales,
This one ole chap,
Sitting there amidst his books and thoughts,
Rubbing his eyes and musing,
Suddenly thought,
“If there WERE
Personifiable gods, and
They DID put a curse on man
It could be of only one character;
They would have told man to,
‘Be not curious’.”


674 7/16/90

Some of you should be giving even greater attention and recognition to that magnificent example of biotechnology, that living architecture that represents a kind of astounding, self-perpetuating, feeding and reproducing system: man. Especially, I would like to point your attention toward man’s intellect and his secondary world.

There is no such thing in the three dimensional world as a truly self-fueling machine. Yet ordinary intelligence can see, from any reasonable view, that life is a closed system. Matter cannot be destroyed nor created. When pushed to the limit, old intelligence thinks, “Well, there had to be a big bang somewhere.” That is, the intellect falls back on belief in gods or cosmic forces that created the universe.

So what I’m going to try to describe tonight is three dimensionally impossible, other than the fact that when you can hear this, it works, and when you begin to See this, it comes closer to a reasonable, operational explanation of “how things work” than anything else you’ve heard.

Consider the secondary world and how man is able not only to act but to also think about acting. This ability makes the secondary world into a kind of laboratory for secondary order creation. In the secondary, intellectual sense, it’s as though man is capable of operating in a beta-mode: even though man is busy creating internal combustion engines, Fords and Nissans, these are not first-order creations; not on the same level as earthquakes, tornadoes and the movement of the earth.

Everything originally came out of the ground, from primary sources, from matter. All the elements were there, but the second order creations would not have just suddenly formed themselves together. Even assuming that the theory of biological evolution is correct, that certain pressures and atmospheric conditions brought about the evolution of life forms, there is no indication at all that the same type of conditions would result in the creation of the non-biological, secondary world. There is no indication that, without man, Life would have one day, out of the blue, produced a functioning internal combustion engine.

The point is, there is a kind of secondary level, or second order creation which was not put in motion along the same lines as biological evolution. Yet this type of creation exists, because man exists. And man does not develop his secondary creations “accidentally.” Put aside theories you’ve heard about a chimpanzee picking up a stick and hitting a coconut one day–the coconut bursts open and from then on, the chimp uses that stick as a tool. An internal combustion engine is not going to suddenly spring up one day because a man or a chimp is beating on some aluminum. What is required for second order creation is thinking of action.

Secondary creations do not happen down at the primary, material level. If 1,000 chimpanzees (non-secondary creatures) sat down with typewriters (secondary instruments) for thousands of years, they would never finally type the complete works of Dickens or Shakespeare, or any other secondary works. No such thing would happen, accidentally, just as there is no evidence that would lead you to think that engines or cameras, light bulbs or clothes would ever be accidentally invented. If not for human beings with functioning intellects, none of these things would be extant on this planet. A whole order of creation would no longer exist.

All of this has been by way of introduction. Here’s another way to approach the subject. A guy and his dog go out for a walk in the park. The guy’s watching his dog eat grass and the guy thinks, “Why do dogs eat grass when it usually makes them sick?” Then he realizes that his dog can’t talk and, as fast as the movement of electrons, he also thinks, “I could look this up in a book. Or I’ve got this friend who knows a lot about dogs, I’ll ask him.”

The guy could also think, “It’s a shame dogs can’t talk. That just shows the skewed nature of life. I’m here with my dog that I’ve had for years, he’s my best pal but I can’t just ask him why he eats grass, I have to go look it up in a book. But if he could talk, he’s the one to ask!”

Is that right? Wrong? Notwithstanding the fact that the dog can’t talk, if he could talk, he wouldn’t know the answer! If you find that to be strangely questionable, then consider a similar example having to do with humans. What would you answer if I asked, “Why do you go out and have a few drinks almost every night after work and then get up feeling bad the next morning?” “Why do you overeat when you know it makes you sick?” Is that any different than, “Why do you eat grass and then throw up?”

Now if you were ordinary, your intellect would run like a rat into a hole and answer, “Well, I know what you’re saying, but I’m under a lot of stress,” or “I grew up with parents who mistreated me and traumatized my little psyche.” But the truth is, you have no idea why you do what you do. I just picked out two obvious examples, but you could pick others: “Why do you have such a bad temper? You’ve lost your last three jobs and your last two lovers because of that.” “Yeah, I know, but so what?” “Well, why do you keep losing your temper?” You may as well be asking, “Why do you eat grass and throw up?”

The ordinary intellect cannot answer questions about why it does what it does, but this does not keep people from asking or talking about why. That’s part of man’s job description in the secondary world: to come up with apparent explanations. This keeps energy moving through Life through man. “Why do you do so and so?” “I do not.” “Yes you do.” “Well, ok, but I’ve been under a lot of pressure lately.” “You’re not under any more stress than anybody else.” “Yes I am!” “Prove it.” This leads nowhere. You cannot “prove” why you are what you are, why you do what you do. Even though who attempt to give an explanation actually do not know.

If you’re seeking information about a creature, the proper place to inquire is not with the creature! Humans are the only creatures in the observable 3-D world that attempt to study themselves, to explain themselves. Does that make them exceptions to what I just said?

Consider this individually. Individual humans attempt to observe themselves, to explain their actions. So you may think that if you want to know why a person behaves the way they do the person to ask is that person. Right? Hate to do this, but the answer is “wrong.” That individual, that person, cannot give an answer regarding their own behavior.

In order to expand this, consider whether they are intended to answer? If ordinary intelligence could actually give such an answer, what would that accomplish? It would cut off one of the points where energy is transferred in that person.