Jan Cox Talk 0534

Higher Complexity Creates More Dimensions


Audio = Stream from the bar; download from the dots

Condensed AKS/News Items = See Below
AKS/News Item Gallery = jcap 1989-03-27 (0534)
Summary = See Below
Diagrams = 
Transcript = needs edit before posting ( Tneeded )
Curation = 4D Science


#534 * Aug 21, 1989 * – 1:31
Notes by TK

Kyroot. to :04. Until you know that all human experience/activity can be explained/measured molecularly, you don’t know anything. A law: at a certain stage of increased complexity in any process or thing, an additional dimension comes into existence. Things seem to become more than the mere mathematical summation of the individual elements comprising them. For instance the question of whether men have free choice or not cannot be answered at the individual level, but at the level of society such questions can be and are answered via enactment and enforcement of civil and criminal law.

If a collection of people is being used by Life, i.e., has a name and some opposition, that collection has an additional dimension beyond the individuals involved. But this is never seen by the individuals involved. A molecular collection is more than the sum of its parts. E.g., every word of Shakespeare’s play Macbeth, put on separate bits of paper and placed into a box vs. the play itself; all the notes of Beethoven’s 9th symphony vs. the symphony played. Next step: an individual is more than a collection of cells. Next.: the collection of “facts” known is not the same as your intelligence. When enough that “can’t”, get together, suddenly they “can”; it’s magic and never seen as such.

It is equally true that the charismatic object of a people’s adulation is not the person himself. It is that people cannot adulate themselves while yet having the need to, thus charismatic leaders provide the necessary focus. The continuing adulation of a charismatic figure by a collection of people makes that figure more than it is. It is equally true people’s adulatory behavior is caused by their own chemicals, but these chemicals don’t provide a focus for it as well.

1:28 epilogue comments re: St. Q’s and Evoteck opening night parties.


…and Kyroot said:
In a one party state fanaticism is impossible.
…and Kyroot said:
A diversity of reports does not confuse an intrepid map maker.
…and Kyroot said:
If you think you’re doing more than measuring then you will think that you
are what you’re surveying…
such as grief, fear, or
any other earth emotion.
…and Kyroot said:
There’s this other planet also, where there’s a rigid law against doing anything you don’t wanna do…
(They’re debating another law to forbid wanting to do anything you don’t
wanna do.)
…and Kyroot said:
A foot in the old country is no twelve inches here.
…and Kyroot said:
The enemy has no face.
…and Kyroot said:
At the end of your stay room service charges are added on whether you used it or not.
…and Kyroot said:
Hey, let the kid with no brains be king, and the one with no guts, prime minister, the rest of us’ll be in charge of finances.
…and Kyroot said:
Do you realize there’re people who’ve talked to you that you’ve never spoken to.
…and Kyroot said:
In a highly competitive environment it’s always the survival of the environment.
(The fittest come and go, but the constant must stay constant.)
…and Kyroot said:
The rich don’t have to spell.
…and Kyroot said:
In some worlds “official negligence” is the only kind allowed.
…and Kyroot said:
If everyone is a “little off center” who knows where the center is?
…and Kyroot said:
If you’re drafted as umpire don’t bother to “call ’em as you see ’em”, it’s not necessary, or expected, and is far too open to discussion.
…and Kyroot said:
On this other planet, a plot-to-kill is surprisingly close to the deed-be-done…
(but don’t worry, you’re not there yet, and even if you were you wouldn’t know it.)
…and Kyroot said:
Don’t dream of being normal unless you already are.
…and Kyroot said:
Everyone got here full-blown.
3/27/8941 8)
…and Kyroot said:
If you only have one view of something a critic can always get in your underwear.
…and Kyroot said:
“I” is too vague a map for a New Explorer.
…and Kyroot said:
One guy, after a particulary good day of neural exploration and
discovery, would say to himself, “Remember, you heard it here first.”