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Three Stages of not knowing

Begin: There are three stages of not knowing. The first stage is the common stage in which everyone is born. First stage people “Don’t know that they don’t know that they don’t know.

The second stage of not knowing is composed of people that are involved in some activity such as the fourth way, Zen, or Sufism. The second stage people still don’t know but now they know they don’t know.

The third stage of not knowing is rarely reached by anyone. Some second stage people believe it is the obvious and that it is when one “knows.” But they are mistaken.

05:00 The belief that the third stage is when what one knows interferes with you ever getting on the right track. The stage one of not knowing that you don’t know is the simplest state and the most complicated state. The ordinary human probably never got anything from stage one and just went right past it. If they did stop to look at stage one, they did not understand it. (I know because of how long it took me.)

For example take a child and how it picks up knowledge so fast it is inexplicable. A child can begin to put sentences together and grasp the idea of time by knowing when his dad may be home from work. Believing you “know” is being conscious, educated, or mature at the ordinary level.

10:00 Everybody on this planet believes/thinks at the ordinary level they “know” what is going on. But the “knowing” is specific. To be sane you have to know specifics. Your opinions or preferences from taxes, to morality, to sports whether spoken or not believe they “know.” When your mind criticizes, dismisses, or agrees with this preference it is saying I “know.”

15:00 The people in stage one includes most of the people. They always believe they “know.” It is an extreme reaction to have a person in stage one who realizes they don’t “know.”

The people in stage two (Zen, Sufis, and Fourth ways etc) believe they don’t “know” and are making overt efforts to “know.” (An example is “I am asleep and I want to awaken.”) The people in Stage two believe there is something specific they don’t know and they don’t have the full grasp of the teaching they are pursuing.

20:00 If stage two people were listening to my terms they would identify with the stage two people. They would say “I know I don’t know.” I am telling you that stage two people don’t know. This is what actually makes stage three. Remember, I did not explain stage three other than saying it is not what people think. Everyone would assume that stage three is “knowing” and that is not true. There is a barrier before stage three and that is realizing “You don’t know.”

Stage one of not knowing is fairly bulletproof. You don’t know, that you don’t know, that you don’t know. Stage two of knowing you don’t know is a mistake because stage two people do not know what it is they don’t know. The stage two people think the “not knowing” is specific.

25:00 Stage two know specific things and some specifics they don’t know and there is your problem. (And someone will write and say where?) As long as you think you know something you will never know what I am talking about. As long as you “think” you are partially awake you will never wake up. As long as you “think” you are partially asleep you cannot fully enjoy being awake. (I cannot explain the last one and I don’t know if anyone ever really gets it.)

Stage three is not knowing that knowing is not the completion of stage one and two.

30:00 People don’t go around pondering life. People only have a few areas in which their life revolves. Their life could revolve around their job, sports, or going to church. The less physical demands on a person the more demand for the mental distractions of second reality.

You can either go crazy, find a distraction, or try to wake up. Most people find a distraction if they are sane.

35:00 If a stage one person was passionately talking football and expressed the opinion that “Tommy X” would be better for the team than “Tommy Y” he is or the cellular activity is expressing much more. The cellular activity is expressing it “knows.”

If another stage one person who had no interest in sports could see that it was a meaningless statement because no one knows for sure if Tommy X would be better for the team than Tommy Y then stage one may realize for a moment that this opinion has no pertinence to life and that is awfully close to stage three.

40:00 I have lived the three stages of not knowing. The first stage where everyone starts is you don’t know that you don’t know that you don’t know. You can be prejudiced and in stage one and not realize it. The people in stage two don’t know and are working on it. Stage three is a stage people dream about and assume the stage is where one “knows.”

45:00 Stage three is not obvious. Until you realize it for yourself you are playing with a sticky wicket. There is no stage three where the answer you imagine is the obvious one.

50:00 All explanations of the thing are the thing but there is no thing. The thing is the explanations. When you get to the end of the explanations of it (not knowing-knowing) that is when you are in Istanbul (Stage three). If you try to get a better view of the buildings in Istanbul you snap back to Paris (Stage two).

Jan’s Posted Daily Fresh Real News

February 5, 2001.

Still on the case,
into which further looks could be justified.

The 3 Stages Of Not Knowing:

Stage one is where everyone begins,
and most people end:
it is the state where in you do not know,
and you do not know that you do not know.
Stage two must be individually achieved,
and though in this condition, you still do not know, now you know that you do not know.
Stage three is seldom realized —
oh, men dream of another, and in fact
believe that they understand what it would be — for,
what it would be — OBVIOUSLY —
is a condition wherein they would finally KNOW —
but they are mistaken,
and thus even if they reach stage two,
the efforts they make from there on out,
to depart there on from
are not directed at the correct target;
thus, what transpires there on after
cannot come as a surprise.

The routine investigatory mind believes that
the proper treatment of motion sickness is —
— added motion;
the cure of lack — more,
and the solution to overindulgence — even MORE.

Why does a man born wearing a hat he dislikes
spend the rest of his life trying on other peoples?
If you listen to your own hat-wearing-head,
it will give a seemingly reasonable response to this question, but in so doing it merely upholds the already
established pattern of looking in the wrong direction
to ever experience stage three of not knowing.

Those of stage one and two of not knowing
want wants,
while those who have had flashes of the realization
want an escape from useless wants.
Even if they found favor with the idea,
people in stages one & two cannot recognize what ARE useless wants, (in the non-physical sense —
which, you are reminded,
is all ever being herein talked about).
Men with standard issue discriminatory facilities,
if they attempt a census of their mental population,
conclude that some citizens are
more worthy than others,
and will readily agree that some in fact are probably,
useless, and contribute nothing meaningful to the
overall well-being-of-the-state,
but such conclusions are native characteristics of
stages one & two, and are infallible indicators
of a mans low degree of not knowing.

It is a deluded diagnostician who detects
varying intensities of illness.

In the second stage, men become aware of not only their displeasure with the individual hat on their head,
but of the general worthlessness of those
being worn by others,
yet in this stage they still cannot resist —
— in spite of having glimpsed its futility —
bouts of envy and criticism directed there at;
they know that the passing cars their yard dog chases
are vehicles no better than their own,
yet the beast will still run after them,
yapping in various combinations of
it imagining it to BE the car
mixed with denunciations of its mere existence.

Once a thirsty man knows what saltwater is,
why does he continue to drink it?

If you do not know, and do not know that you
do not know — then there is clearly no hope for you,
and if you do not know — AND know that you do not know — BUT do not know what it is that you
need to know ABOUT to bring the matter to a head,
then you are still not a lot better off — BUT NOW
knowing-about-this is your way out —
though few men ever make use of it —
even should they hear of it —
what do you make of that?!

Is that a cheer we hear for Monday?! —
— the god of all that is clear, murky, pure & gaudy.


you see, the thing about trying to
ride-that-train from
sleeping-paris to
awakened-istanbul is that
once you understand the true nature of rail travel
it does not matter WHERE you are on the tracks,
for all roads lead to ________ (fill in the blank with
whatever tasty verbal morsel tickles your fanny),

the ultimate pie-slicing being that:
some men know this — and,
most men do not — ESPECIALLY those who —
say they do —
for those who make such claims are the supreme —
not knowers.

P.S. their numbers are such that they are never in need of additional members.just in case you can think of something else you might prefer to do for the next
fifty or twenty years.