Jan Cox Talk 2577

Pressing On (Thinking Beyond Thought)


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There is an endless conflict going on in Man’s ordinary mind wherein the natural source of all Logical Thinking in in endless conflict with an irrepressible-attaction-to indefensible foolishness.
Although never noted in such terms, this on going activity plays,
( Behind-the-scenes you might say )
A quite real part in Mankind’s overall intellectual history, and his contemporaneous moves into the future,
Look in and see it in action in yourself–
Then ponder the ramifications 

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Jan Cox Talk 2577 – August 13, 2000
Copyright Jan Cox,  Jan’s Legacy 2016
Notes by CF July 2016

Suggested Title: Pressing On (Thinking Beyond Thought)

Begin:  Reads: “If you don’t think beyond your own thoughts you are not using the mind to its full potential.”  A factual statement and if ordinary thought did not immediately reject it, it would not be unexpected to hear “how do you do that?”

05:00  How can you know more than you know? How can you be more conscious than you are at any moment – when you are thinking about being more conscious? (You can’t) This is the sticky  problem thoughts don’t like to deal with.

Unless you get past the point that your thinking is limited to your thoughts, if you can’t find a way to think beyond thoughts you already have, then all of this,  (awakening/enlightenment of the mind, etc) will only be the ephemeral occurrences.  

10:00 Believing the mind has the potential “to awaken” may be based on the experience of “waking up,” But few people come to grips with the question “what are you going to use other than thought to think beyond thought?”

15:00  Based on experience, instead of driving yourself crazy to bring on the “extraordinary state of waking up” at will, which I could never do, and have doubts anyone else can do, you relentlessly investigate the experience of waking up.

20:00  You understand the state of awakening happens in the brain and not in the textbooks, and religious books where the descriptions are garbled. But to investigate it you have to think beyond your thoughts, beyond anyone’s thoughts.

If you adopted the model that man is asleep and can awaken, and assuming you have had the experience, then I ask you “what is the experience and what happened? 
  The point: People do not pursue the nature of what happened.

I would not try to convince anyone of pressing on, but I found continued persistence in ignoring all descriptions (even my own) of waking up/being enlightened, that those descriptions tell me nothing.

25:00  When the abstract starts to make sense to a child’s nascent mind, in a sense their mind has awakened. It is simply, a process six billion people go through where their nascent mind awakens.

This activity, (being asleep and trying to awake, still an apt description)  if you press on, you will see a further awakening of the mind. But there is no further awakening with a mind entangled with thought. 

Thought is based on duality and it is all in the mind and nowhere else in the body. The duality of the mind is unknown to instinct and to the rest of the creatures on the planet. Consider: There was no word for think until we could think.

30:00  If you can’t think beyond your own thoughts, you cannot think beyond dualities. (black and white, etc.) A person wired to be attracted to hearing a condemnation about dualistic thinking must somehow get free of it.

The condemnations are all local and do not get to the heart of what is going on. That duality/continual preference is the nature of the mind. How do you know what to say without knowing what not to say? (ex. boss asking if you like the job)

35:00  Dualities are just there. Thoughts at their worst are not completely dumb. There is no such thing as stupid life. (discounting several obvious professions) Thoughts, even the dumb ones will not say to the body “Boy, you sure are a burden.”

So, how can thoughts more fully awaken the mind? There is nothing to use to work on the mind except the mind. Mystics, using the mind to awaken the mind, don’t realize the mootness, the impossibility of their attempts to lift themselves by their bootstraps.

40:00  The safest course of action is to take everything you hear as foolishness. But how do you do that? I can’t tell you that anymore than I can tell you how to think beyond thought.  You can’t plan it. If you plan to do it, you are already serious.

Just press on with thinking beyond thought and thinking beyond thought will happen. Pressing on in a certain way, you can get beyond what you think. (physical laws still apply) Thinking beyond thought is something that resembles waking up.

45:00 I continue to stumble around with descriptions of all this but a better description may be, there is no plan. The closest thing to a plan is that anything you think should be ignored. No belief in grand masters will aid you. 

50:00  So how do you get the experience of “waking up” back when it fades?  How can thoughts contribute when thoughts come from the mind? In a sense the second question is the answer. It is a self consuming question.

55:00  How can you think your way out of thought? I considered it from all angles. Physiologically,  looking inside your own head, but you can’t look because the thing you are trying to look at is the thing you are looking with.

60:00 How can you be more conscious at any moment? However you think about it, when you catch yourself being asleep, distracted, etc. what no one sees is them thinking
  “you can’t do any better than you can at that moment.”
So answer the question, “ How can I be more conscious than I am right now while thinking about being more conscious?”.
  And when you see the answer to that –  well, at least send me a picture of you falling down……     

End  63:20

Additional summary to help the search engine….

If you are not thinking beyond your own thoughts, you are not using the mind to its full potential.

How to do this cannot be answered because the answer is beyond the thoughts that asked.

What This whole activity is about, is about a more complete awakening of the mind.

What knowledge about your mind, can your thoughts contribute, that is not already IN your mind?

How can you ever be more Conscious than you are at the moment you are thinking of being more Conscious?

There is another state of mind, wherein, it makes the ordinary mind seem extremely lacking…

Anomalies, ephemeral and uncontrolled occurrences….as delightful as they are…(are not full awakening.)

Very few people can come to grips with The Problem of thinking beyond their own thoughts.

If you can relentlessly pursue the Problem, an investigation of what the state of Enlightenment is…

Take a study of IT (Enlightenment experience) as to what the brain is doing…

A conflict of one part of the brain dealing in logic and another part dealing in non-logic.

Man as the only creature with the problem of mental duality.

If you can’t think beyond your own thoughts, then you cannot think outside a dualistic system.

Mystics, even achieving extraordinary states of mind (may not) realize what they are doing.

The safest course of action is to assume that everything you normally hear, is foolishness.

(Beware) your own “crack-pot-ism” /  personalized “nuttiness.”

If other people still think you are weird or crazy, you haven’t gotten it down yet…

(Engage in) a “Shrinking” process, whatever your personal craziness and get it down to pea size…

(Jan says) “I didn’t have any SECRET help…(in this further ignition of the mind) as there IS no help.

In This, you are attempting, struggling, to further Awaken, to Expand, to Change.

In your ordinary state you are as “sane” as your peers; in This, your mind is not the same kind of mind.

IF you are wired-up to do This Thing, there is nothing else to see, but to TASTE IT…

After IT ebbs and flows a couple of times, there is only one question left: How, to get it back…

You are faced with this: You have nothing left to further the Mind, but the Mind…

It appears to be an linguistically based, artificial conundrum, that your thoughts cannot contribute to your Mind

When you can hear this (statement) that your thoughts cannot contribute to your mind, there is Everything you need to know….and yet it doesn’t sound like anything.

How can you,Think your way,Out of your Thoughts…?

In physiological studies of the brain itself, you can’t really Look, because the thing you are trying to look at, is the thing you are looking with…

….How can you stay entangled (in your thoughts) once you see this (situation.)

Looking at the dual mind through humorous tales of b.b. Guns, throwing rocks on the playground, and Pig-Meat-Marcum…

If it’s a Universe composed of dualities, and Somebody’s gonna get their eye poked out….better him, than me…

(Hear yourself say) In your own head, Somebody’s got to be Asleep….and it Ain’t gonna be me…

The “It ain’t gonna be me” (internal voice) is the One that’s going to Save you…

When you catch yourself being Asleep,….you can’t be More AWAKE than that moment …

When you SEE this, you will fall down…(laughing.)

(When this happens…) email me a picture of you falling down…